Jen Kirkman explains Louis CK sexual misconduct claims in new interview

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Though she’s already discussed her remarks regarding the Louis CK sexual misconduct allegations, comedian Jen Kirkman recently further explained her original statement and intent in an episode of the Nerdist podcast with Chris Hardwick.

Kirkman made headlines back in May when an earlier episode of her own podcast, I Seem Fun, came to light because of the following description:


And then I had another guy who is a very famous comic. He is probably at Cosby-level at this point. He is lauded as a genius. He is basically a French filmmaker at this point. You know, new material every year. He’s a known perv. And there’s a lockdown on talking about him. His guy friends are standing by him, and you cannot say a bad thing about him. And I’ve been told by people “Well then say it then. Say it if it’s true.” If I say it, my career is over. My manager and my agent have told me that. They didn’t threaten it. They just said to me “You know what Jen, it’s not worth it because you’ll be torn apart. Look at the Cosby women.” And this guy didn’t rape me, but he made a certain difficult decision to go on tour with him really hard. Because I knew if I did, I’d be getting more of the same weird treatment I’d been getting from him. And it was really f*cked up, and this person was married. So it was not good, and so I hold a lot of resentment.


Though she never mentioned any comic by name–let alone made any specific Louis CK sexual misconduct claims–the details Kirkman included left little doubt as to who she was talking about. At the same time, though, Kirkman’s broader topic was the difficulty of being female in a male-dominated profession–something she was at pains to point out after the story broke and her point was lost. A follow-up episode of I Seem Fun addressed the controversy, and steered the conversation back to its original track:


I did delete an episode of this podcast because I had done a one-hour segment about what it’s like to be a woman in comedy. My point was that nobody has ever taken their genitals out in front of me, or hurt me physically, but that, in this business, you have friends, mentors, co-workers, who can sometimes be creepy in a way that isn’t funny. Suddenly you don’t feel part of a joke, you feel…like…you are being…inappropriately hit on by someone who is married….All of the people that I spoke about anonymously on that podcast are still friends of mine, and I’m fine with them and they’re fine with me. And they all know the stuff they did that bothered me. It’s nuanced, that way. I’m not going to their house for Christmas. I’m not still not of the opinion that they might be a little weird. But what I was never was sexually abused.


Now, Kirkman has addressed the Louis CK sexual misconduct claims one more time, acknowledging that “It’s kind of obvious who I was talking about.” It’s a confirmation of sorts, though it’s still worth pointing out that Kirkman is careful not to name anyone.

She further stresses that she never feared for her safety, but that she most definitely did not want to accept the offer to tour with the comedian in question:


That person, on their own, was like, “Yeah, I was kind of a creep.” I was like, “You are a creep. That’s who you are! And God bless you. That was something that was staying in me for a while, and I was having resentment about other things. So I talked about you on my podcast, because I was just in a resentful mood, and I was just like, ‘bleh, sometimes people are creepy.’ So we talked, and that was it. I’m fine, because I was never violated. Never! It didn’t cost me any career stuff; I was never violated; I was just bummed. It’s one less person that I trust. That’s it!


Chris Hardwick’s interview of Jen Kirkman is available here. The whole show, as is the case with many Nerdist episodes, is worth a listen; if you’d rather skip ahead to the Louis CK sexual misconduct clarification, start at around the 54-minute mark.


(Photo credits: Jen Kirkman via Facebook; screencaps via Louis CK, SNL)

  • MsAwesomePants

    Except if she did decline a tour because of him, it did “cost me any career stuff.”

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  • Elocin F

    it sounds like Jim Norton to me

    • RumpyTumbo

      That flab baby ain’t no auteur. Nor is he Cosby huge. Come on Elocin.

  • BEBE

    ….so she basically equated feeling uncomfortable around a man to that man exposing his genitals to her?? (which was her *original* comment, by the way, which she declined to elaborate on until just now)
    Jen, thank you for further commenting on this, because it makes it crystal clear how completely full of yourself you are.

  • janet

    I actually had a run in with her on twitter. I asked her, why not just name the guy? If people are telling her that her career is over if she says his name then that’s a major problem. She told me to F off and that I wasn’t supporting women’s comedy. It was some really bizarre stuff. She then deleted all of her tweets and blocked me. I’ve heard she has really crazy mood swings so I didn’t take it too personally.

  • David Groomes

    Does anyone notice she has mentioned that this comedian is married? As far as I know Louis is divorced. Am I wrong?

    • RumpyTumbo

      He was married when the JO stuff was happening. Nuh Doy.

      • Nathan Riley

        Well he’s been divorced since 2008 and he was certainly not Cosby level at that time.

        • Brown Bear Billy

          He was still a big comedian that sold out big theaters. He also had his HBO show. In the comedy world, he was big.